Ohtani

[Oakland Athletics]

Thats a good point.

So not a whole lot of people have chimed in here I was kind of waiting for more discussion. But I could post a vote on this between the two possibilities we discussed.

A) Ohtani is drafted as two separate players.

B) Ohtani is drafted as one player and awarded both Hitter and Pitcher but this would occupy two roster spots

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Jan 5, 2018 23:21:22 GMT -5 Oakland Athletics said:

Thats a good point.

So not a whole lot of people have chimed in here I was kind of waiting for more discussion. But I could post a vote on this between the two possibilities we discussed.

A) Ohtani is drafted as two separate players.

B) Ohtani is drafted asone player and awarded both Hitter and Pitcher but this would occupy two roster spots

I would say league management should make the decision because of conflicts of interest

[Boston Red Sox]

IMO B) makes more sense. Just closer to reality.

Let's vote!

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You figure if most people didn't chime in on the discussion that they may not vote so the voting may not be a total league decision.
Personally it makes no difference to me but I know others want to know. We have even discussed trading both of our picks so one team could draft both positions of Ohtani but they want to wait until a league announcement is official.

[Oakland Athletics]

If we did vote I'd make everyone vote before we reached a decision.

[Oakland Athletics]

This was a dumb decision by Yahoo and creates a dilemma in fantasy leagues. It was real simple to me, if you start him in a pitching slot he can get pitching stats, if you start him in a hitting spot he can get hitting stats but he can't get both in one spot.

[San Francisco Giants]

i agree, this is stupid, he's one player that can be played in one position per day. And not on multiple teams.

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Yea, Yahoo really screwed up with this one. I think the closest thing to normal would be if you draft him you get both of him but occupy two roster spots. I think after that you should be able to drop him as a pitcher or hitter or promote him as one or the other. If he's a bust as a major league hitter than it would hurt 4 years down the road if you had to keep him as a hitter but he was an awesome pitcher or the other way around.

[Baltimore Orioles]

I am thinking if you draft him he takes up two roster spots

[Oakland Athletics]

Jan 6, 2018 0:49:16 GMT -5 @cbishop said:

I think after that you should be able to drop him as a pitcher or hitter or promote him as one or the other.

Are you suggesting promoting and demoting at will with Ohtani? What about our minor league limits? What happens when he surpasses?

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Yahoo screwed the pooch on this. This may be the wrong way of looking at it, but it is the decision we made in our 10 year old keeper league where guys wouldn't leave Yahoo. He is 1 player who is able to accumulate both pitching and hitting cats. We expanded our rosters by 1 slot to accommodate the team who selects him and has to use 2 slots to house him. All other teams can not use the extra slot. It is a bit of a pain to monitor, probably, but that was our decision we made. A lot of the talk stemmed around the idea that if a position player has multiple position eligibility you do not have to roster him as a 2B, 3B, OF; he is simply 1 player with multiple positions. It is tricky because a pitcher can now have offensive stats count, but he is truly a one of a kind player who may be breaking the mold.

[Deleted]

If enough people give blowback I guarantee Yahoo will change it before fantasy baseball opens up for drafts.

But if they don't just expand the rosters by 1 and the team that has him is the only one who can use the roster spot.

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Jan 6, 2018 10:50:46 GMT -5 @yonks said:

Yahoo screwed the pooch on this. This may be the wrong way of looking at it, but it is the decision we made in our 10 year old keeper league where guys wouldn't leave Yahoo. He is 1 player who is able to accumulate both pitching and hitting cats. We expanded our rosters by 1 slot to accommodate the team who selects him and has to use 2 slots to house him. All other teams can not use the extra slot. It is a bit of a pain to monitor, probably, but that was our decision we made. A lot of the talk stemmed around the idea that if a position player has multiple position eligibility you do not have to roster him as a 2B, 3B, OF; he is simply 1 player with multiple positions. It is tricky because a pitcher can now have offensive stats count, but he is truly a one of a kind player who may be breaking the mold.

I personally agree with Matt here when he uses the multiple position idea.       If the multi-positional player only counts as one slot on the ML or possibly Yahoo then why should Ohtani be any different and charge the owner of Ohtani as having two players.      If he is considered two players occupying two Yahoo slots or two MLB/MILB slots on the ML with the idea the owner of Ohtani is to be trusted with moving him up and down then llow this owner to manage his own roster.      You figure it might be a bit detailed but at the same time the league as a whole needs to trust each owner if in fact Ohtani is classified as one player but with two very different positions for accumulating stats.       I believe Josh stated last night something about promoting and demoting Ohtani, or any other potential player, with the idea once he is demoted he has a 10 day hold on his next promotion.    I personally have no issue with this idea only because the league had this rule in place in 2017.       However, I see a few issues the league needs to address now and to come to a conclusion.       In my opinion this discussion is not simply Ohtani and this upcoming MILB draft but the larger picture.     You see someone will be selecting SS/RHP Hunter Greene and 1B/LHP Brendan McKay only because they are possibly top 5 selections so whomever selects one of these players needs to take into account this Ohtani debate.    Both of these guys are being given the same opportunity as Ohtani so this idea with these three players needs a decision.   I would prefer a decision at least 7-10 days before the draft so possible trades can be discussed. 

[Oakland Athletics]

I think we could just allow Ohtani to be drafted as one player, allow the owner to add/drop Ohtani pitcher for hitter on Yahoo as the owner would like. No one else can touch either Ohtani. And he would only occupy 1 roster spot. This is how Toronto's other league is handling it and I think it's the best solution I've heard yet

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Jan 6, 2018 12:37:46 GMT -5 Oakland Athletics said:

I think we could just allow Ohtani to be drafted as one player, allow the owner to add/drop Ohtani pitcher for hitter on Yahoo as the owner would like. No one else can touch either Ohtani. And he would only occupy 1 roster spot. This is how Toronto's other league is handling it and I think it's the best solution I've heard yet

I don't have an issue with this.